Yea I have to agre hirugashi was awesome. Loved that anime. The 1st season was awesome. I actualy didint get what the hell were those kilings about until the 2nd season when they explained the main thout of the anime. I kinda liked the OVA series to. It was a nice conclusion to the whole anime. ( But your beter off not watching the last episode it woud ruin the nice ending )
The first season is better than the second, in my opinion, but I guess that's just because I'm a sucker for gore and horror. Both are amazing, though, and the entire series is incredibly well written.
I thought Rei was great, for a 5 episode OVA. The first episode had me totally unprepared for the 2nd, which was the best of the 5, in my opinion.
Higurashi FTW !
First season was great, kai makes it even better.
While kai is less focused on horror, it explains a lot of things and shows a proper ending. Very complimentary.
Rei is basically fan service with a small side-story.
Higurashi FTW !
First season was great, kai makes it even better.
While kai is less focused on horror, it explains a lot of things and shows a proper ending. Very complimentary.
Rei is basically fan service with a small side-story.
This.
The first season is the best collection of horror material I've ever seen and the second fills in the gaps for one of the best and most well written stories I've ever seen.
good that almost all is pointing out higuashi s1 i actually didn't get it until episod 14... i am a bit slow about some of these things but still it is Higurashi that is nr 1 here
Yea I agree with everything but the 5 th episode of the ova was a total fail.
As long as I can hear Rena chan's, kana kana, it's fine by me.
Ohara wrote:
gub wrote:
Higurashi FTW !
First season was great, kai makes it even better.
While kai is less focused on horror, it explains a lot of things and shows a proper ending. Very complimentary.
Rei is basically fan service with a small side-story.
This.
The first season is the best collection of horror material I've ever seen and the second fills in the gaps for one of the best and most well written stories I've ever seen.
1st season of Higurashi is good combination of horror and mindfuck. 2nd season may fill in the gaps (and thus doesn't rank too high on mindfuck scale because it lacks room for viewers own interpretation). 2nd season also seems to be more about friendship and no-one-should-die hippie crap. Frankly, it started to seriously infuriate me when
the main cast fought against Yamainu (a professional assassination team) using non-lethal methods: various traps and scare tactics... it was like they were having a class-trip and holding a trial-of-initiation to high-school freshmen. Except these "freshmen" were armed and willing to kill them. They had the chance to use assault rifles to do so, and from season 1, we should assume several of them should have experience in handling such a weapon as well. But no. Obviously they don't want to kill or seriously injure people for self-defence, even if it will cause the same soldier to hunt them down few minutes later.
Just way too much friggin' hippie bullshit in season 2. Bash their heads with baseball bat, I say. Chop them of with a sugar-cane knife.
But 1st season... that's probably the series which is the benchmark where I would compare any other series on whether they qualify as AWESOME!!!11eleven or just another attempt at lame horror story. Mindfuck is a must element for me. Simple splatter doesn't interest me in anime. It's just lame. If I wanted to watch splatter, I do it because I want a sick kind of humour - not horror. And for the sickest splatter experience, I'd prefer live-action movies like Bad Taste, Braindead, Black sheep or Planet Terror. Or if we stuck to Japanese movies, stuff like Stacy - Attack of the Schoolgirl Zombies. B-class splatter in live-action > anime splatter. When it's about mindfuck, anime can very well compete with live-action because when it comes to mindfuck, it's not about graphics but about story, dialogue, characters and directing. Anime may actually manage better than live-action because it's less limited due to anime not having to conform to physics on the stage where it's filmed. (Certainly special effects can bend reality quite a bit (a là Matrix) but it's more costly to do high-class effects for live-action. Animation costs the same, regardless whether you do drama, horror, scifi or hentai (assuming you aim for same fluidity and other quality characteristics, which obviously they don't, especially for hentai).)
Maybe I'll make a list of horror anime I recommend... but I won't make that list right now... later~.
the main cast fought against Yamainu (a professional assassination team) using non-lethal methods: various traps and scare tactics... it was like they were having a class-trip and holding a trial-of-initiation to high-school freshmen. Except these "freshmen" were armed and willing to kill them. They had the chance to use assault rifles to do so, and from season 1, we should assume several of them should have experience in handling such a weapon as well. But no. Obviously they don't want to kill or seriously injure people for self-defence, even if it will cause the same soldier to hunt them down few minutes later.
Just way too much friggin' hippie bullshit in season 2. Bash their heads with baseball bat, I say. Chop them of with a sugar-cane knife.
Mindfuck is a must element for me. Simple splatter doesn't interest me in anime. It's just lame. If I wanted to watch splatter, I do it because I want a sick kind of humour - not horror.
Dude, just one thing, never take horror seriously, come on if we did that would just be some serial killer thriller stuff.
As for your complaint about them not using assault rifles, when have you even heard about a horror with those?? Also the VC did the US a nice number but didn't have the m-16 plastics. Because they knew the terrain, and fought on their own soil they won! It takes more than just fancy plastic toys to kill a group of determined people.
Lastly your comparing of splatter is absolute nonsense, do you honestly think those pathetic 'horrors' you mentioned have the same impact as something like Higurashi? The only urge I have when I watch one of those movies is to laugh my ass off.
Do make your list as you got me interested right now.
Btw did I mention it already? Never compare horror to the real world.
It seems siegfrieds did not read or did not comprehend my last post at all, because while he thinks he's correcting my sayings, he's actually just repeating it. Like I said, horror does not equal splatter. Like I said, splatters are meant for sick laughs at ridiculously exaggerated blood-spill and they don't really fuck your mind. They don't even attempt affecting the viewer on psychological scale, as they don't have any decent plot, nor do they have tension-release cycles that horror needs. Continuous fighting belongs to action category and cannot build any tension. It's the slow-progressing, quiet, dialogue-based or ambient parts that create tension. Splatters are designed to lack them as splatter fandom considers things like "plot" only detrimental to the actual stuff: bloodshed, brains on the wall and flying intestines.
About VC... they didn't have plastic toys, but don't expect that they beat the shit out of US forces without some serious bloodshed: rifles, landmines, tripwires, grenades. Psychological warfare is part of warfare but if you try psychological warfare without actually harming any of the opponents, eventually the psychological effect will wear out. Actually it would wear out quite soon. Honestly, if the good guys would have wanted to really scare the shit out of bad guys, they should have killed some of the booby trapped enemies, gutted and/or skinned them alive and hang them into trees from their legs... just like in movie Predator. That's how you rape your opponents psyche... not by playing stupid lets-pretend-we're-ghosts game.
About comparing horror to real life... I think good horror needs some believability. Horror may or may not use supernatural events (if they don't they'd usually call it a thriller but the line between the two is rather vague) but the very least which need to remain realistic would be characters' reaction to events. You can have whatever supernatural stuff happening but characters' reaction still have to be natural. Natural reactions to horrible events or imminent threat may vary from logical to berserk, and from catatonic to panicked. They can all be natural depending on the character and reaction does not always have to be obvious (a logical character can turn into berserker when pushed over the limit, or might go catatonic and just lock up).
Splatter on the other hand do not need natural reaction to violence... at all, because it lacks psychological aspects, it lacks tension, it lacks logic... Any of these is only a hindrance to bloodshed. Every reaction should be that of a berserker's, to maximize bloodshed. For example GantZ was pretty much splatter due to extremely flat characters and no attempt at tension creation. It did contain some mindfuck in the early episodes when it was all new, but later on it was just about group of people killing other people/things and pretty much everyone except one character enjoyed killing and torturing or watching people die, with no explanation given. Absolutely not horror, just totally failed series that failed in every aspect imaginable.
For example GantZ was pretty much splatter due to extremely flat characters and no attempt at tension creation. It did contain some mindfuck in the early episodes when it was all new, but later on it was just about group of people killing other people/things and pretty much everyone except one character enjoyed killing and torturing or watching people die, with no explanation given. Absolutely not horror, just totally failed series that failed in every aspect imaginable.
Hooray for someone that agrees with me here. The last sentence sums up my views on the show in a nutshell.
Higurashi Kai... meh, the potency of the friendship/sticking together theme didn't bother me. It was already implied throughout season one that friendship and trust were large aspects of the show. Them battling with the Yamainu... I know what you mean, but it wasn't as silly as you're making it out to be, I don't think. Everyone in the town was already paranoid about Gods and spirits, etc, so they took advantage of that to try and mess with the enemy. It makes sense, even if a tad unrealistic.
"Higurashi Kai... meh, the potency of the friendship/sticking together theme didn't bother me. It was already implied throughout season one that friendship and trust were large aspects of the show."
But that obviously should not include Yamainu. Definitely not friends.
"Them battling with the Yamainu... I know what you mean, but it wasn't as silly as you're making it out to be, I don't think. Everyone in the town was already paranoid about Gods and spirits, etc, so they took advantage of that to try and mess with the enemy."
Yamainu did not consist of Hinamisawa residents. They were just mysterious people stalking certain people from a white van. And occasionally murdering someone. I don't think locals ever got to know them. I also don't any explanation of where they lived but I would assume they had a camp somewhere, not too close to Hinamisawa village to avoid unnecessary attention. Or they could have a base in nearby town of Okinomiya. People would pay less attention if they operated from a warehouse on Okinomiya, than 2000 inhabitant Hinamisawa. Any village with that few residents are way too aware if there's shady people living next to them.
Also, as part of Yamainu, they would probably know more about the nature of the killings in Hinamisawa than Hinamisawans themselves, considering some of the killings were their own handiwork.
Good thing this thread brought up Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Rei. I noticed I have only watched first 4 episodes so I still have the final to watch.
Yamainu did not consist of Hinamisawa residents. They were just mysterious people stalking certain people from a white van. And occasionally murdering someone. I don't think locals ever got to know them. I also don't any explanation of where they lived but I would assume they had a camp somewhere, not too close to Hinamisawa village to avoid unnecessary attention. Or they could have a base in nearby town of Okinomiya. People would pay less attention if they operated from a warehouse on Okinomiya, than 2000 inhabitant Hinamisawa. Any village with that few residents are way too aware if there's shady people living next to them.
Also, as part of Yamainu, they would probably know more about the nature of the killings in Hinamisawa than Hinamisawans themselves, considering some of the killings were their own handiwork.
Though this doesn't matter, is mostly irrelevant and is going nowehere: they'd still obviously know about the legends of Hinamizawa, even not having lived there. The people in command knew at least some of the truth behind the disease and the legends, though the lower-ranked officers were most likely clueless. Of course, you could then go on to ask why Keiichi and the others were aware of that fact, but then I'd say that they weren't and the whole stunt involving Hanyuu imitating a God was merely something they thought they'd try for the hell of it, so as to whittle down their numbers.
In any case, what they did makes sense, even if somewhat far-fetched from an entirely realistic viewpoint.
As for the last episode of Rei... it's pretty much just a bunch of Rena fanservice. Entertaining, but useless.
i think horror anime is probably hardest genre to make. I mean its extremely difficult to make an anime scary like a good horror movie. i think the reason for that is japanese horror and american horror are completely different in a culture kind of way.
I find "Dead Space: Downfall" to be the most scary animation i have seen. I have seen most of all the top japanese horror anime as well so i believe i have a full view on the subject.
If you want to be slightly scared and watch this gory animation movie.
if you want to be fully scared play the game.
al333xis on 24.09.2009 00:47 4a6p6m